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Tommy: as a Sapolsky-level determinist, I really appreciate this and agree with most of it. The world would be better if more people adopted your view.

My specific problem is with labeling our feelings of authorship / agency / conscious deliberation as "free will." (I understand the practical arguments for doing so.) That phrase, as commonly understood, necessarily implies a cause-less cause, a contra-causal freedom - something more than the laws of physics.

That is where the problems come in. Assuming, after the fact, that people could have done differently gives justification to "justice," blame, vengeance, retribution and retaliatory punishment, and the general sense of "just desert" / "people get what they deserve."

We can try to create the best possible system and incentives for learning so people can live their best possible life. But that doesn't mean people who "fall short" have "failed" and are "bad" and deserve to suffer.

Sapolsky-level determinism allows for teaching and incentives and protective judgment - actually a better, more realistic system, since we wouldn't base anything on "just use your willpower or you're a bad person."

At least as importantly, I think, hard determinism offers everyone compassion based on the simple fact that, given their genetics and environment, they couldn't have done otherwise at that moment.

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In her book, The Things We Never Say, Elizabeth Stroudt’s main character Artie is obsessed with the question of free will. Later in his life, he will discover that his now adult son has a deep fascination with free will as well.

In his remarkably impactful guidebook, Contemplation, Richard Rudd notes that our “will” is actually found in both pausing and pivoting. The simple will to think about the outcome that would serve both us and others better — a crisp, clear way to tell us to Look Before We Leap. Free will is being willing to consider our impact and chose how we respond.

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